There's an overseas fellowship I read about for med students, which is for those in their 3rd yr. Has anyone ever done one ?
I wonder if doing it your 3rd year means when you come back to school, you have to do the 3rd year over again?
There is something called a 'post-sophmore fellowship' offered in various disciplines, here in the states and elsewhere. I did a PSF in surgical pathology at Ohio State. Basically, it's like doing your intern year while you are still a third year med student. Usually it's a paid position, usually involves research; you have the same clinical duties as the intern class (you're in their call schedule, for example). And yes, you do have to complete you third and fourth years of school when you go back. However, you usually won't have to do your intern year over if you continue in that specialty. So, if I'd gone into pathology - instead of foolishly goingi nto surgery - I would've started as a second year. Instead I got to experience the full fun and hilarity of a full fledged surgery internship (O, happy, happy, joy, joy!!)
PSF's are usually competitive and considered to be an honor for the applicants chosen, so it's good for beefing up your CV (doc's version of a resume). It also lets you get an early taste of real clinical responsibility, which most of us live for anyway, and also to figure out if that discipline is truly the one for you (which it wasn't, in my own case).
Good luck.
| QUOTE (GED2MD @ Jun 19 2003, 03:38 PM) |
| There is something called a 'post-sophmore fellowship' offered in various disciplines, here in the states and elsewhere. I did a PSF in surgical pathology at Ohio State. Basically, it's like doing your intern year while you are still a third year med student. Usually it's a paid position, usually involves research; you have the same clinical duties as the intern class (you're in their call schedule, for example). And yes, you do have to complete you third and fourth years of school when you go back. However, you usually won't have to do your intern year over if you continue in that specialty. So, if I'd gone into pathology - instead of foolishly goingi nto surgery - I would've started as a second year. Instead I got to experience the full fun and hilarity of a full fledged surgery internship (O, happy, happy, joy, joy!!) PSF's are usually competitive and considered to be an honor for the applicants chosen, so it's good for beefing up your CV (doc's version of a resume). It also lets you get an early taste of real clinical responsibility, which most of us live for anyway, and also to figure out if that discipline is truly the one for you (which it wasn't, in my own case). Good luck. |
Hi there,
This is interesting but I did a pathology fellowship between my second and third year. I was assigned to the Medical Examiner's office in both Northern Virginia and DC. I started out on Surgical Pathology cutting surgical specimens, then graduated to hospital autopsies. I then switched over to the forensic autopsies. I was paid and I was expected to keep the same schedule as the residents. I also spent time in the Bone Marrow Transplant Unit at Inova Fairfax and the the Blood Donor Services at Inova Fairfax.
I learned so much that I still use. I was required to take USMLE Step I early and then report for my fellowship. I very nearly ended up in Pathology for residency because I loved the stuff so much. Pathology is a great field with a great lifestyle. It has exploded (for Americans) int he past couple of years like Anesthesia. The hours are great and there is minimal night call. A few nights each month, a pathologist has to take night call for reading frozen sections from the OR.
The Pathology Department at Inova Fairfax Hospital is totally modern and very well equipped. These pathologist do lots of research and performa at a very high level. My first autopsy was a newborn who died at one day old after being at home for less than 8 hours. My mentor on this autopsy is a Pediatric Pathology specialist. She was one of the smartest physicians that I worked with. She taught me so much microscopic pathology.
My Transfusion specialist was outstanding too. He trained at Mayo Clinic and worked with me on a paper about granulocyte infusions. Inova Fairfax does more graunlocyte infusions than any other institution in the US. Great stuff for someone who had yet to see a patient clinically and was fresh from my sophomore year of medical school. I had also done very well in Pathology and loved every second of that class.
The work in the ME's offices was totally amazing too. I almost went into Pathology. It was surgery that changed my mind.
Natalie (one more week of internship!)
| QUOTE (njbmd @ Jun 19 2003, 09:13 PM) |
| This is interesting but I did a pathology fellowship between my second and third year. Natalie (one more week of internship!) |
I've often thought we shared many parallels in life; here's an example of one more
!Meredith (one more week of residency!!)
| QUOTE (GED2MD @ Jun 19 2003, 04:29 PM) | ||
I've often thought we shared many parallels in life; here's an example of one more !Meredith (one more week of residency!!) |
Hey there,
I just hope I will make as good a Chief Resident in Surgery as you! You have set the bar pretty high and I might not be able to jump that far since I am older than dirt
Natalie
Meredith,
Please refresh my failing memory…where are you completing your surgical residency? And, more importantly, where are you going to be a working as an attending?
Massive congratualtions on completing your residency!!! I begin orientation for mine today – such a loooooooong way off before I can claim only 1 week to go.
Nat,
CONGRATS! on finishing your internship…want to trade places?
| QUOTE (OldManDave @ Jun 20 2003, 09:53 AM) |
| Please refresh my failing memory...where are you completing your surgical residency? And, more importantly, where are you going to be a working as an attending? |
My residency was at Iowa Methodist Medical Center. Top notch training; extremely bright group of residents there. I'm going into a broad surgical practice doing general surgery, trauma, vascular, and noncardiac thoracic in the pacific northwest. Real old fashioned general surgery, the way it's supposed to be practiced, (at least in my mind).
Maybe I can lure Nat out as my partner here in a few years. Or maybe a rural gen surg rotation as a third year? How about you, Dave? Want to come pass gas in paradise?
| QUOTE (GED2MD @ Jun 20 2003, 04:43 PM) | ||
My residency was at Iowa Methodist Medical Center. Top notch training; extremely bright group of residents there. I'm going into a broad surgical practice doing general surgery, trauma, vascular, and noncardiac thoracic in the pacific northwest. Real old fashioned general surgery, the way it's supposed to be practiced, (at least in my mind). Maybe I can lure Nat out as my partner here in a few years. Or maybe a rural gen surg rotation as a third year? How about you, Dave? Want to come pass gas in paradise?
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Hey Meredith,
It's DOES sound like paradise after my fifth drunk driver who hit tree with loss of consiousness and now is combative in the Trauma Bay-type patient for the night. I am considering posting the following rules:
If you must drink, don't drive.
If you must drive drunk, don't drive fast.
If you must drive drunk, and fast, don't hit any trees!
In just five more days, I will be passing the torch to the new crop of fresh-faced interns. All of us are so jaded and ragged out. We have given our out-going chief residents a royal send-off and we have welcomed the new chiefs who are settling into their new roles.
For our group that just left, all chose to do fellowships. Two went into Cardio-Thoracic, one to Transplant and one to Trauma-Critical Care.
For the group that will graduate next year, it looks like three for Cardio-Thoracic, and one to General Surgery.
Congratulations on getting through residency and good luck with all the challenges that lay ahead! It sounds like a the best of all possible worlds: Pacific Northwest (I am thinking smoked salmon), and a little of everything thing in general surgery practice.
Natalie (here comes another trauma alert!)
| QUOTE (njbmd @ Jun 21 2003, 06:43 AM) |
| It's DOES sound like paradise after my fifth drunk driver who hit tree with loss of consiousness and now is combative in the Trauma Bay-type patient for the night. For our group that just left, all chose to do fellowships. Two went into Cardio-Thoracic, one to Transplant and one to Trauma-Critical Care. For the group that will graduate next year, it looks like three for Cardio-Thoracic, and one to General Surgery. |
Well, it's 10:30 in the morning here, and we just tucked in our second car crash victim of the day - with the whole of a weekend warm summer night ahead of us to go. So, I'm not sure about the idea that we don't see our share of drunk trauma patients in Iowa
.One of our chiefs is doing a plastics fellowship at Indianapolis, the other is joining his dad and brother in private practice, and you know what I'm doing.
Next year's class has a person planning to do a breast fellowship at San Francisco, one going into private practice (she's already signed with her partnership!), and one who will be specializing in minimally invasive gen surg.